{"id":288296,"date":"2023-08-29T22:21:45","date_gmt":"2023-08-29T22:21:45","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/sportslifetale.com\/?p=288296"},"modified":"2023-08-29T22:21:45","modified_gmt":"2023-08-29T22:21:45","slug":"bernard-laporte-on-his-corruption-scandal-and-the-rugby-world-cup","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/sportslifetale.com\/rugby-union\/bernard-laporte-on-his-corruption-scandal-and-the-rugby-world-cup\/","title":{"rendered":"BERNARD LAPORTE on his corruption scandal and the Rugby World Cup"},"content":{"rendered":"
The manager of the restaurant opposite the Gare du Nord knows who is coming. ‘Bernard Laporte? Ok. We open a private area for him,’ says the boss.<\/p>\n
We are about to sit down with one of the most controversial figures in rugby and the interview comes with a couple of caveats. No subject is off the table – including Laporte’s involvement in French rugby’s corruption scandal.<\/p>\n
‘That’s ok, we discuss what you want,’ he says, having just arrived in a taxi from his home in Saint Germain.<\/p>\n
He knows this newspaper heavily backed his rival Agustin Pichot in the World Rugby election bid – and would do so again – but he does not take it personally. ‘You like Pichot? He’s still young. He has good ideas.’<\/p>\n
Laporte is no longer involved with World Rugby. He resigned as Bill Beaumont’s vice chairman in January after he was given a two-year suspended prison sentence.<\/p>\n
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Mail Sport’s Nik Simon sat down for an exclusive interview with Bernard Laporte (pictured) ahead of the Rugby World Cup<\/p>\n
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France are favourites to win the Rugby World Cup that is being hosted in the nation this year<\/p>\n
French courts found him guilty of showing financial favouritism to Mohed Altrad in a 7million Euro deal to sponsor the national team, leaving his official positions untenable.<\/p>\n
Laporte pleads his innocence: ‘We made an appeal to this because there is nothing. He never influenced me. Never. For this, we will defend. For me and Mohed, it’s not just.<\/p>\n
‘I was not happy, for sure. I never take money from the federation. No salary, nothing. I have to retire from World Rugby? Ok, that’s no problem, life is going on.’<\/p>\n
The courts will decide. Laporte went from playing, to coaching to walking the corridors of chairman power. A former Minister of Sport for the French government, he became the most divisive figure in French rugby. You are with him or you are against him.<\/p>\n
His empire appeared to be untouchable after fronting the bid to host this year’s World Cup, but it all came crashing down.<\/p>\n
‘With the FFR, it’s finished. With World Rugby, it’s finished. Being vice president of World Rugby was not my favourite thing. Meeting, meeting, meeting. The president and vice president don’t make decisions, it’s the people on salaries.<\/p>\n
‘There’s a lot of time for nothing. It’s not my pleasure. I am happy to have seen it but my love is speaking with the players and the coaches, speaking about the game. Speaking with Steve Hansen, Eddie Jones, Gregor Townsend, Rassie Erasmus. Only this. The other things\u2026 uh.<\/p>\n
‘I have a lot of invitations so I will be in the stadium, for sure. When the first game starts, then I think it will be wonderful. Friday night, 8th September, against the All Blacks. I will be there.<\/p>\n
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Laporte is\u00a0one of the most controversial figures in rugby and has a long history in the sport<\/p>\n
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Laporte was previously rivalled by Agustin Pichot (pictured) in the World Rugby election bid<\/p>\n
‘I think the World Cup is very important. France the country is sick. Malade. Problem of drugs. A lot of young men have no respect for nothing. I’m sure only sport can create a good spirit. If we win the first game, it will be very important for the spirit. But if we win the first game everybody will say we are going to win the World Cup. No, no, we don’t want this! But I want a French win at the end of the World Cup. I really want it. We need this.’<\/p>\n
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Laporte remains a close confidant of France head coach Fabien Galthie<\/p>\n
Laporte is admired by the French management. All part of his tribe. He remains a close confidante of Fabien Galthie, and Mail Sport columnist and French defence coach Shaun Edwards asked to pass on his regards at this meeting.<\/p>\n
French rugby is stronger than ever but there are troubling political undercurrents. The house of cards collapsed, with 2023 Rugby World Cup CEO Claude Atcher sacked for running a ‘climate of terror’.<\/p>\n
‘It was difficult for me because Claude made the bid and we won together,’ says Laporte. ‘When the minister decided to go in because of relationship problems, I don’t know if there is or not. Nobody went to the commissariat and complained. I don’t know what happened, really. It was difficult because I have a lot of respect for Claude but it’s life. Now I hope we have a very good organisation.’<\/p>\n
Sipping on a double espresso, Laporte moves on to how France snatched the rights to host the World Cup in the first place. South Africa were World Rugby’s preferred bidder and the process was expected to be a formality. But France won the secret ballot, leaving Beaumont to open the winning envelope in front of a shocked auditorium.<\/p>\n
‘That was an error of World Rugby. At this moment, the principle was that World Rugby decide who is the better bid. Why did they decide this? They said South Africa is one, two is France and three is Ireland. What happened? The nations say, “No, the first is France”. Fantastic.’<\/p>\n
The buzz is building around Paris, where huge posters of Antoine Dupont and Julien Marchand can be seen, covering entire buildings. A World Cup megastore popped up in Place de la Concorde this week. Laporte’s fingerprints are all over it.<\/p>\n
‘We went all around the world to present. Miami, Medellin, Mongolia. All the time, they said, “Fantastic guys, very good”. We win. Why did World Rugby say South Africa should win? Why? One reason they gave was that France was too strong on doping, with so much control from the government. Why? Another was that in Saint Etienne there is no good hotels. Six months before, it was the European Championship football and the players said the hotel was not good. There were others but this was two reasons from the rugby commissioner. It’s crazy. I knew the evening before that we win because I had to speak with a lot of people in London.’<\/p>\n
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Laporte is no longer involved with World Rugby after resigning as Bill Beaumont\u2019s vice-chairman in January<\/p>\n
Were deals struck? ‘There were no deals.’<\/p>\n
We have seen the good, the bad and the ugly in the world of rugby politics. Laporte has never been far from the action. He has friends and foes in every corner. He sparred with Sir Clive Woodward at the 2003 World Cup but they kept in touch. ‘How is Clive?’ he asks. ‘He wasn’t friends with Eddie!’<\/p>\n
So how deep do rugby’s politics run? ‘All the time there is politics, sure. When there is elections then it’s political, sure. It’s not government politics but it’s politics. I presented with Bill Beaumont. For me, he is a very good man and I have a lot of respect for him. There was Beaumont, Pichot and me. You preferred Pichot. If I go with Pichot, he wins. If I go with Beaumont, he wins. Why? Because I had seven votes; France, Africa and Europe.<\/p>\n
‘I told Pichot he should stay with Bill for four more years and go afterwards. Pichot wanted now, now, now. He already knew what he wanted to do already but my principal is we make decisions together. He has good ideas? Yes. He is always for development and that’s good. He’s still young. I told him to go with Bill four years more and then I will be his vice president. He wanted to go now now now.<\/p>\n
‘Who will be the next President? I don’t know, I don’t vote anymore. I would have no problem with Pichot. I have a lot of respect for him. Perhaps John Jeffrey? I don’t know.’<\/p>\n
And what about the future of the sport?<\/p>\n
‘The spirit of rugby is special. This week, Ajaccio against Bordeaux, second division of football, they stopped the game because supporters were fighting in the tribune. You don’t get this in rugby. This is a force for rugby. You get people together and it’s a community. English, French, Welsh, New Zealand, South Africans. We have to conserve this.<\/p>\n
‘The future of rugby is\u2026. I don’t know. Tackles is difficult. How many young people want to play rugby? Saudi Arabia want football. Qatar want football. Not rugby. All European players go to Saudi Arabia. It’s difficult because rugby is a culture.<\/p>\n
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Laporte is excited to see the Rugby World Cup get started and will be watching the opening game against the All Blacks from the stands<\/p>\n
‘We need USA. It’s fantastic to have the World Cup there in 2031 but we need to develop. We need a good USA team. It’s difficult because they have their own sports culture. Pele and Franz Beckenbauer were there but it didn’t work. Perhaps it will be different with Messi.<\/p>\n
‘It’s money. Rugby is 10 nations. When I coached France in the 2003 World Cup, we beat Fiji and Japan by 50 points in the pool. Now, 20 years later, they are difficult games. That’s very good for rugby but in 20 years that’s two teams. Two!<\/p>\n
‘It’s difficult. You speak to them and they always say, “We have no money”. Each team gets 7 or 8 million for the World Cup. If in eight years they say maybe all the money is going to development, perhaps one idea is to give all money to these countries. Asia, Africa. Perhaps France can afford that. Perhaps England can afford that.<\/p>\n
‘We need good rugby in USA and things need to be much clearer. The story with Owen Farrell\u2026 the problem is the Six Nations decide and say “No problem” and then World Rugby say “Sorry, there is a problem”. It should be on World Rugby to take the position. Nobody understands. It’s a problem. World Rugby should decide all. World Rugby has to be the boss. They should say “Shut up, the commission is me, I decide on Farrell”. Don’t come back and say “No, no, no I’m not happy about this”. It’s crazy. We have to progress.’<\/p>\n
On the pitch, France are leading the way. Laporte is happiest talking rugby. He revels in early stories about Galthie, reeling through his career to the day he appointed him as coach of the national team.<\/p>\n
‘I said “Fabien, I want to see you” and he said rugby was finished for him. I had a lot of trust in him. When I coached, he was my captain. We decided he should go with the French team in 2019.<\/p>\n
‘He’s cool, he’s funny, he’s demanding. If you don’t have charisma, you don’t win. If the players don’t love you, it’s finished. When you see the French team, they are cool. Like Fabien, they know where they are going, no stress.’<\/p>\n
Laporte has rubbed shoulders with the biggest names in the sports. He paraded trophies at Toulon, hand-to-hand with Jonny Wilkinson. And now he is witnessing a new era, led by French poster-boy Antoine Dupont. Does he see any similarities between the two?<\/p>\n
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French courts found Laporte guilty of showing financial favouritism to Mohed Altrad (pictured) in a multi-million pound deal to sponsor the national team<\/p>\n
‘They’re not the same guy. Jonny was all the time perfection, perfection, perfection. Jonny doesn’t speak a lot, Antoine doesn’t speak a lot. They are good on the field. The difference is Jonny is perhaps more solitary, and Antoine is more social. France lost two World Cups to Jonny!’<\/p>\n
Laporte’s team were beaten by England in the 2003 semi-final. At the time, Laporte said England were ahead in every sphere: business as well as sport. Has the pendulum of power swung?<\/p>\n
‘The power has changed. I never understand why Brexit happened. Why? All the time it is difficult when you are alone.<\/p>\n
‘When we speak about three clubs lost in England, it doesn’t give you confidence. When Saracens went down, the national team went down. In France, La Rochelle and Toulouse win. In Ireland, Leinster win.<\/p>\n
‘Only England have won the World Cup from the north. I think that can change. I hope that can change. I think it is the first time where all 33 players are strong. French rugby needs this but you can never be sure. I think we have the team to win, but we are not alone.<\/p>\n